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An Answer from Dr.Roy Foster: 11/22/00

I went to your site, www.mentalgrowth.com, and admittedly saw some things that concerned me. I must be misunderstanding. Perhaps you can clarify some of them here. I will insert the items I am questioning from your site within the <<>>.

<<If people need to be inspired to listen to the words of a temple or church surrounded by the elaborate buildings and stained glass windows, they are living under satan's roof. To study words and stuff the brain with so called "good" knowledge and supposedly the words of Creator is pointless because they are
still just words.>>
Correct

Define "inspired". If I (in the generic sense) go to a church to sit and listen to the voice of God in the solitude and tranquility of a sanctuary, are you saying that I can't accomplish that because I'm too influenced by satan, since I am seeking out the building in which to find that peace? If your answer to that question is yes,
are you then insinuating that ......
If inspiration is emotional, then we fall into the trap of fueling our ego and the alien identity within us. If we can be inspired with an inner joy that is controlled and does not involve feelings, but a moment of bliss, then we can be continuously staying in moments of the here and now which we know as conscious awareness. This is only the true state in which we can connect with our Creator. No one knows how much satan is in you but you. We all have some of satan in our alien identity. If you watch its powers over you, you can control it. The answer is how much it controls you and how much fuel you give it. The "building" should never be an issue and if it gives you a "high" you are already in trouble and on an "addiction" trip. .........reading the Bible would do me no good because I'm incapable of grasping it's truths? When you read the bible there is a very important issue here. What you get from it is determined by your present state of consciousness and how you perceive truth in an objective way and where it does not give you another "high". What is also very important is that the bible contains "words". You must be able to read between the lines never to memorize the "words". Glance through the pages and pick out what you understand and never read what seems to be confusing never to memorize. You should never read the bible. Poke through it selectively. I never read the bible and received all of my (re)discoveries by raising my consciouness to absolute truth and slowly gave up all of my addictions to having only preferences. Your ego must go too. Do not ever Will it to happen but let it slowly come to you. The key is not to energize anything with feelings and emotions. The latter is food for your alien identity which will eventually dissolve as your emotional life dies. If you get upset about anything, express it in the right way at the right time and then let go of it. Sometimes nothing is better than the wrong way.

<<Observe the churches in America how most of them emphasize their words with emotion and music not realizing that it is satanic. Correct ....They do this in order that their church members cannot disconnect and remain addicted to their church.>> Correct

Would that emotion include a "fire-and-brimstone" sermon? Are you suggesting that hymns are intended to be a distraction that enslaves a parishoner to his congregation? Yes, and as you see people never leave their church to graduate from it. I believe that Jesus said that, "one must sooner or later graduate". They cannot because they learned nothing and are addicted to the feeling the church gives them.

<<A good example had been when Rev.Jones took his members to their deaths in Guiana many years ago. Actually none of them could have ever have explained why because it had been satanic and a very powerful dramatic experience as the emotional level had been so great from Rev. Jones in the way he preached to bring them all to their deaths..>> Correct. This is performed by evil leadership... Hitler, Napoleon and Clinton-Gore.

While I will agree that the Rev. Jim Jones exploited his followersand distorted the word of God, I believe that he is the exception and not the rule. Are you comparing his actions on an equivalent level of most of the churches in this country? Yes. It is all relative, however we can be a little evil or a lot evil. As you already know we all have some evil in us never to be perfect but can yearn for absolute. This should be your choice.

<<Take a look at seminaries at large and at what truly comes out of the church and you will see people without true enlightenment ...it is a conspiracy (WGC) to produce church leaders who do not truly represent a Creator. Yes, this is the way satan does his job. Jesus was a so called Rabbi but truly he was just a simple man
...and he chose fishermen for his disciples and not rote-learned Rabbis>>
Correct. The learning of knowledge displaces common sense. It builds the ego and develops the power of the alien identity. True learning should only come by experience. Rote learning is disastrous to the spiritual base. When one gets a feeling from it, it is an addiction. The meek shall inherit the world in the end.... do not compare the meek with the morons we see today in this country who are brainwashed, and the intrellectuals are spiritual failures too.

Am I to understand that you believe that our ordained ministers typically lack an understanding of the gospel and are instead a tool of satan? I cannot say that they all need to be. Jesus didn't receive the typical training of the local rabbi's and yet attained knowledge and maturity so by your own standards, doesn't Jesus then possess true enlightenment? Correct He then became a threat to those with egos and big alien identity problems. Am
I correct that you don't believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ?
No, I have a closeness to the purpose of Jesus and you must understand that I was indoctrinated with orthodox judaism. I love the principles that Jesus practiced and believe that Christianity is good but we find so few true Christians. A newborn Christian cannot be one instantly but can be one through many years of forgiveness and sincerity. Jesus spent a lot of time in solitude and meditation. You have it right there...Correct. Meditation is the solution because it brings you next to Creator. We are all capable of that which Jesus accomplished in time however it could take a lifetime. A higher consciousness in the present moment is a form of meditation when the moments are many moments.

<<Unless every human being on this earth can make a move towards accomplishing the absolute, an awakening to absolute truth (APT/AST), to see and understand how the "word" originally corrupted the mind and soul, then and only then will every human being stay within the framework of a potentially eternal life.>> Wonderful

Am I correct in understanding that you believe the Bible has actually corrupted our minds so that we cannot attain eternal salvation? It all depends on....when you start to read the bible you must ask yourself, "what state of mind am I at?" If you are heavily corrupted you are correct. If you are able to open up to absolute and forgiveness, sincere forgiveness from the heart and soul, you have hope to set yourself free fom your evil state of mind, the addictions to life.

<<This information on this website is quite unique because it is a free ride to a higher level of awareness which authorities, governments, teachers and parents would not like you to be at because at this level you would not be under their control. >> Correct

<<Ideal for ages 12 to 18 to obtain a true understanding of life,>> Correct. Get there before the evil world consumes you.

So you feel ... Remove the word feel and replace it with see or believe always.... that *all* parents are undermining the consciousness of their children? Yes, as long as they are ever -powered by their alien identity and ego relationship. Are there any exceptions to this? Yes, when parents have reached a higher conscious level of awareness and become an example of Creator's purpose. When they fully understand their personal failings and move in the absolute direction. Many parents discover absolute, in time, however too late to show an example to their children. The children then go on where they must find out what it is all about themselves through pain and suffering. They will rebel or conform to the corruption until their pain arrives.

<<It deals with the many occurrences in modern America and its leadership as well as the entire world and how the dysfunctional family has now become a major influence in the election of corrupt psychopathic officials similar to Adolph Hitler. Psycho-history always repeats in a failing culture! >> Correct. You now have seen this in the Clinton-Gore administration accepted by the media and their agents.... all addicted to the feelings of power it gives them.

Do you believe that Americans have elected leadership equivalent to Adolph Hitler, a man guilty of genocide? Who would these leaders be? Yes, however the U.S.Constitution holds them back. The power is still within the grasps of the people but on the edge of a cliff today. Note how they die miserably and look aged when they retire. They are rewarded for their corruption. It is intensified through immense guilt as they manipulate the minds of millions through their lies and deceit.

Your site has quite a lot of information to take in all at once, and I lacked both the time and the attention span to absorb all of it. I've decided to wait for your answer to these questions before I go any
farther. Thanks for your clarifications.
Anytime.


Gore won florida (arguably) and won the national popular vote. If the 'will' of the people had been heard, if all of the votes in florida were hand counted, Gore would come out on top. You republicans may argue with this but it's true. Why else does Bush want to stop the hand recounts? Because he knows he'l lose if they go through. And why doesn't he want to hand count the entire state of florida, which is what should be done? Because he probably still would lose, and this way he can make gore look like a 'sore loser' and make the hand count look unfair because it's only being done in 2 democratic counties, even though gore already offered a state-wide recount. In the end there really is no sollution to all this, because how can we justify recounting florida and not the rest of the nation. If the whole nation did a hand recount Bush might win, but wed be counting until memorial day. But how can we not do a recount in florida when the election is hanging in the balence of 900 votes?? maybe the only sollution is a whole new election.

Bush won the first count by machine as all of America had done. Then
Bush won the machine second count. Gore was unable to admit that he truly lost therefore did every means he could to find more votes to possibly turn it around. Dictatorships never lose elections... a fact of history... proving that Gore is on the edge of a dictator.

DR. FOSTER: Bush made his move to NOT change the entire counts of florida because
he had already won and therefore why should he have taken the risk of more mischief. Why would anyone expose themselves to losing a hard battle where the media bias changed the mood of the voters throughout the country seen by so many close losses for Bush. Undoubtedly, I believe that if there is any voter fraud in America and for sure there is plenty of multiple voting and alien voters that mostly all came from the Democratic side by the nature of the Democtatic voters. The liberal-socialists cater to you know whom.......? Anyway if anyone prefers to be a slave to liberal-socialism, under the rulers of America, the hypocrits and liars, even treasonous leadership keep on trying as they must. There is no dignity in psychopaths just the pretense of being for the people but actually being for themselves and their addictive ego trip which leads to POWER.
It is a big ego trip for Gore as it has been for Bill Clinton. They
show no signes of honor and integrity, and just because they may
seem to look like good leaders con scious Americans see through their
facade. Lieberman is the biggest hypocrite of them all.


Does anyone remember dear ol' Dad?
READ MY LIPS,NO NEW TAXES?
Bush supporters have attention spans
that are obviously just as short as
their memory spans!

DR. ROY FOSTER: The Democratic Congress raised the taxes and President Bush was pressured into it. He made a mistake. Blame the liberal-socialist movement which parallels communism. We have communistic ideology in every corner of America, especially in education and entertainment, and if we fall over the cliff into Gore's dictatorship we will all deserve the outcome.
www.mentalgrowth.com has brought this to the attention of millions
already and holpes that it will continue to.


God, you are the most ignorant blinded, near-sighted, and narrow minded person ever. Move to china i
dont want you in my country.
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Too bad you are one of those who joined up with millions of dysfunctional Americans. The dumb-downs who will never see the absolute truth about how the liberal-socialists have taken over the morons of America in order to stay in power not for the people but for their best interests. It takes insight and perception to observe how evil penetrates the minds and souls of people. It takes a higher consciousness to recognize your enemy and evil. It takes an evil person to not recognize his own kind. It takes an evil person to be threatened by good (Creator).
Good luck from www.mentalgrowth.com


Dear MentalGrowth,
I am a public educator and can attest to all that you say here. There is a movement with in the public schools to consider all children as "special needs" children. Over the past several years there has been a dumbing down of the curriculum. No longer are children expected to achieve high personal standards. Instead, we have set minimal criteria for them to achieve. I sickens me that the teacher associations such as the NEA have not only become involved in this but they endorse this. Please contact me as I would love to speak with you more in depth regarding this situation.

DR. ROY FOSTER: Dear OHIOTEACH, I am limited in my time this moment and will get back to you. If you find that I don't, email me at reaccess@pacbell.net
anytime. I appreciate your post and hope that we can team up to move America and our children forward and away from the tyrants of liberal-socialism.
www.mentalgrowth.com


An argument about the existence of each person's "soul"?.........
Can you prove humans have a soul?......

(by the way, use "points" NOT based on what the bible says).......

DR. ROY FOSTER: A Soul? Can one prove humans have a soul?

There are two kinds of human beings. the ones who are in touch with their souls and the ones who are not. This basically proves the definition of a soul and that one exists. This is how it goes.......

Babies are born with soul and conscience (Supposedly to you who has doubt). Along comes a "corruptor" and starts working on the child's innocence by different forms of mental and physical molestations (corruption). The child, not understanding what is happening to him or her, joins with the trauma conditioning and either rebels to it by building upon a big ego or chooses to conform to the corruption and becomes just like the violator. All of these moments of truama alters the state of consciousness of the child and later future adult.

Now we have a human entity who is psychotic, emotional and unaware of himself and unable to reach into his soul which has a conscience. I often describe this as dysfunctional (see Florida this moment)
He or she then acts in irresponsible ways to cause harm to others and feels guilty because he or she has a conscience-soul. We describe this phenomenon as not connecting with the conscience (soul).

Definition of Soul: 1. The rational, emotional facilities in man, conceived as forming an entity distinct from and often existing independently of, his body. 2. The divine principle of life in man; the moral and spiritual part of man as related to God (Creator) considered as surviving death and liable to joy or misery in future state. 3. The emotional faculty of man as distinguished from his intellect. Dictionary - Funk and wagnalls
#1 is questionable and partly incorrect.
#3 is incorrect.
#2 is somewhat correct.

We do not have any proof that the soul moves on to another future life after death. We do have proof that something exists within the human entity which provides the base for moral decency, rule and order, intgerity and a connection with some super power. For many it is something quite suppressed. This is visible when the human entity gives up everything for his or her need for power (ego)and the need to feel life. Those who live by the feeling of life - ego and power - demonstrate a lack of soul and comscience. We must call it this or what else can we call it?

Prayer has proved that with prayer miracles have happened and this comes about through the reaching into the soul (conscience)because in the first place to what is the prayer directed but to a super power, although many do not know to which direction to pray.

Obviously we cannot see God (Creator), however the power of Creator is self-evident just by seeing a tree grow from nothing to something very big. Now, we know that there are people who have no connection with their conscience and can become serial killers and there are people who are constantly in touch with their conscience and do everything they possibly can correctly according to the ten commandments or even basic fair standards of principles.

In regard to animals in comparison to humans, it is obvious that they have something very different which is the consideration for the life of other humans. There is a "compassion'; not visible in animals but quite visible in humans. This difference could be described as conscience or soul and the moral spiritual part, depending upon what name you would like to give this divine connection.

Now, we can also stop for moments and come to a meditative state of mind to connect with Creator. Many humans have this ability and we see this in the Budist Monks who hide in the Himalayans. Who and what are they connecting with. God is not in their presence therefore they utilize their inner soul if you want to call it that to connect with their conscience as a divine protocol reaching out to their Creator who put them there in the first place. That's another miracle, of course.

The divine rule or protocol could be stated as Creator put humans on this earth with an inner "central receiving point" in order to direct the so called soul and provide for it a means to pursue life in a manner according to Creator's rules. Creator always wishes things to be absolute (from Creator) and the only way to accomplish this is to have a "central point of connection" within the human entity... we can call this the soul and conscience.

The error that man had made was to live through the ego and the feelings received from life (emotions) which energize the ego and its relationship with sinisterism. Therefore this provides for the base for not being able to receive the inner message from Creator (sin) and prove that there must be something which man avoids to satisfy his ego and power trips. In other words he left something out in his life... the soul and conscience. The extreme example of the egomaniac (psychopath) demonstrates a complete distance from the "central message center" soul.

Spirituality and soul are synonymous and it is self-evident that some form of spirituality exists in human entities especially when comparing animals to human beings. There is a spiritual sense in a person who has kindness, goodnes, love, integrity, intuitiveness, perception and commons sense. Many corrupted human entities do not show signs of having any of this therefore proving that there is something different there. Of course they had been corrupted and had lost their innocence to conform or rebel to "it".

from www.mentalgrowth.com ...........I will not edit this at this time and provide this fast answer to your question. Watch for the finale coming soon. I need more time. I have never written about this ever before and I hope that you understand that I ran this out on my computer very quickly for you hoping that it might turn your life around.

Without insight man will perish.


Okay, we obviously strayed from the point. I was not quoting bible or scripture, that particular statement about souls was a response to the statement about "what if I was an atheist?". My original point was that we all have the free will to make our own moral choices based on what we believe either through our choice of faith or our upbringing or whatever other factors may take place in our life to determine the directions our choices take. I do not believe the issue of abortion is a political issue but a personal one which is why (and once again, this is back to the original topic of discussion) I am a pro-choice republican and I do not believe I am either evil,ignorant, or anything else a fanatical pro-life advocate would accuse me of. Ignorance (and I apologize for using my reply to you to reply to Pat) is assuming that only your way of thinking is the correct way of thinking. We are not in the age of the crusades or the inquisition anymore

First of all, killing people in wars is self-defense and only if it is necessary. And on the issue of the death penalty, why are people put on death row in the first place? Because they committed a heinous crime. What have these "fetus'" done? Nothing but being conceived at the wrong time. When a fetus is 3 weeks old, a heartbeat can be detected, and it starts to take on "human" features. How can you say that it is not a baby? What else would it be, a dog? What about a baby that is born premature, like that baby who was born 3 months premature, weighing only 12 oz with 1 1/2 tablespoons of blood. Was that not a baby, or was that still a fetus? When exactly does a fetus become a human? If we cant prove it, how can terminate it. What if it was a baby, then that would be murder. Just because a baby in the womb cannot live on its own doesnt make it any less of a human. A 2 month old cant live on its own without someone, is it human then? See, I can back up my argument, can you?


Gurdjieff teaches,Mankind is asleep.It takes great effort to wake from our slumber.You are not awake even if one's eyes are open. Things just happen,there is nothing to cause things to happen.[except
the workings of God].People are just drifting along in theredream-world of active sleep.They wake ,when prodded [special events but soon doze off again.] Everything they do has to be justified.The most inane
things imaginable get justified.Their emotions dictate to them all is justifiable.The emotions and three other major centers are in opposition to one another. Thinking center is ruled by emotional center.Negative emotions which have no viable reality in life are strife.[rampant] they don't constitute the psyche or soul. People whose whole lives are negative just die and vanish from being. Nothing is left to exist after
death.When all four centers are aligned one is awake.Gurdjieff gave a simple illustration, "a coachman driving a coach with four horses and if the the coachman has complete control,the horses are
pulling together. If not, then the coach is out of control."in order to attain to this new and beneficial state,one must suffer,one mustobserve him or herself very carefully to determine what you are really doing. This is very difficult,but the rewards are unimaginable. Another strange thing,when these people hear something
new,they know all about it. Wrong centers lead down a strange path of cognition
. There is much more.